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Mark C . Langston

2001-10-04 20:03:56 UTC

I get it now. Can you file a bug on sourceforge for this so it
doesn't get lost?

Done.
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dean blackketter

2001-10-04 19:41:37 UTC

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I get it now. Can you file a bug on sourceforge for this so it
doesn't get lost?

-dean

Fairly nontechnical SliMP3 owner (can figure out how to install
ActiveState Perl and get the server to autostart on login on an
NT box, understands the concept of creating textfiles for playlists,
but would rather spend more time listening than dealing with
playlist collection) listens to Live365 quite a bit. Wants to
use the SliMP3 as a "tuner/receiver" to listen to lots of
different Live365 (or shout/icecast, or any other MP3 streaming
service) streams.
Current reality: User must find appropriate URL for Live365 station,
create text file for .pls, cut and paste URL into textfile, remembering
to massage the URL appropriately (s/stations/play).
Proposed solution: Building on your browser interface, provide a short
form interface as part of the interface that might have the following
Filename: (could be auto-generated, though)
Stream type: (*) Live365
( ) Shout/Icecast
( ) Foo
[ Add ] [ Reset ]
The user could then find the appropriate URL, fill in the form, and
have the new stream added to the streams available for playing on
the SliMP3.
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dean blackketter

2003-02-22 13:32:48 UTC

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<div>I get it now.  Can you file a bug on sourceforge for this so
it doesn't get lost?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>-dean</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 12:19:11PM -0700,
dean blackketter wrote:<br>
> <br>
> I'm not sure I understand what you are asking for.  Can you
give me <br>
> maybe a more concrete example.  You can now create a m3u
playlist <br>
> from the web interface by queuing up the songs you want in the
<br>
> playlist and then clicking on download.  But I think you are
asking <br>
> for a way to create a shout/icecast .pls file from a web page, is
<br>
> that right?<br>
<br>
In essence, yes.  Concrete (and real) example:<br>
<br>
Fairly nontechnical SliMP3 owner (can figure out how to install<br>
ActiveState Perl and get the server to autostart on login on an<br>
NT box, understands the concept of creating textfiles for
playlists,<br>
but would rather spend more time listening than dealing with <br>
playlist collection) listens to Live365 quite a bit.  Wants
to<br>
use the SliMP3 as a "tuner/receiver" to listen to lots
of<br>
different Live365 (or shout/icecast, or any other MP3 streaming<br>
service) streams.<br>
<br>
Current reality:  User must find appropriate URL for Live365
station,<br>
create text file for .pls, cut and paste URL into textfile,
remembering<br>
to massage the URL appropriately (s/stations/play).<br>
<br>
Proposed solution: Building on your browser interface, provide a
short<br>
form interface as part of the interface that might have the
following<br>
fields:<br>
<br>
   Filename:  (could be auto-generated, though)<br>
   Name for station:<br>
   Station URL:<br>
   Stream type: (*) Live365<br>
           <span

</span>     ( ) Shout/Icecast<br>

           <span

</span>     ( ) Foo<br>

<br>
        [ Add ] [ Reset ]<br>
 <br>
<br>
The user could then find the appropriate URL, fill in the form,
and<br>
have the new stream added to the streams available for playing on <br>
the SliMP3.<br>
<br>
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Mark C . Langston

2001-10-04 19:38:12 UTC

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In essence, yes. Concrete (and real) example:

Fairly nontechnical SliMP3 owner (can figure out how to install
ActiveState Perl and get the server to autostart on login on an
NT box, understands the concept of creating textfiles for playlists,
but would rather spend more time listening than dealing with
playlist collection) listens to Live365 quite a bit. Wants to
use the SliMP3 as a "tuner/receiver" to listen to lots of
different Live365 (or shout/icecast, or any other MP3 streaming
service) streams.

Current reality: User must find appropriate URL for Live365 station,
create text file for .pls, cut and paste URL into textfile, remembering
to massage the URL appropriately (s/stations/play).

Proposed solution: Building on your browser interface, provide a short
form interface as part of the interface that might have the following
fields:

Filename: (could be auto-generated, though)
Name for station:
Station URL:
Stream type: (*) Live365
( ) Shout/Icecast
( ) Foo

[ Add ] [ Reset ]

The user could then find the appropriate URL, fill in the form, and
have the new stream added to the streams available for playing on
the SliMP3.
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dean blackketter

2003-02-22 13:32:52 UTC

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Daniel Sully

2001-10-04 19:25:44 UTC

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Once upon a time dean blackketter shaped the electrons to say...

I think that .pls and .m3u files are used both as "aliases" to
icecast/shoutcast servers (which implies a single never-ending
stream) as well as a list of songs to be played either locally or via
http. I use HTTP streaming of songs here from home all the time and
use .m3u files as a way to construct playlists.
I've not really used .pls files yet, but I'm assuming that they are
just a different (and perhaps richer) way of expressing the same
stuff in an M3U file.

.pls is used almost exclusively for "live/radio" streaming.

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dean blackketter

2001-10-04 19:19:11 UTC

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That's great. Thanks.
What's the format if there are multiple items in the list? Or are
there never multiple items in the list?
I've seen other examples that do have multiple items, along with
version lines and item counts...

Good question. My understanding of Dan's code is that only the
first item is read (i.e, only File1 is read) if the entry is a URL.

Well, his code did do that, but my recent rewrite broke his code.
I'm trying to fix it, and try to do it right. :-)

This also makes practical sense, as streams typically don't have
a defined end, so having more than one in the list is counterproductive
(unless we're looking to have functionality similar to the .m3u
support, where the playlist containing multiple streams would
be treated as a browseable directory)

I think that .pls and .m3u files are used both as "aliases" to
icecast/shoutcast servers (which implies a single never-ending
stream) as well as a list of songs to be played either locally or via
http. I use HTTP streaming of songs here from home all the time and
use .m3u files as a way to construct playlists.

I've not really used .pls files yet, but I'm assuming that they are
just a different (and perhaps richer) way of expressing the same
stuff in an M3U file.

I'll try to make all the .pls files I come across work, and then
we'll see if any new formats come along that don't.

One feature that I'd like to see in your web code at some point
(I don't know that I'll be able to get to this) would be an easy
way to build playlists...e.g., a quick form where one could cut
and paste a URL, possibly denoting what type of stream it is for
appropriate massaging (e.g., live365 station URLs need a quick
s/stations/play in the URL before being added to a .pls file).

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking for. Can you give me
maybe a more concrete example. You can now create a m3u playlist
from the web interface by queuing up the songs you want in the
playlist and then clicking on download. But I think you are asking
for a way to create a shout/icecast .pls file from a web page, is
that right?

-dean

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dean blackketter

2003-02-22 13:32:56 UTC

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<blockquote type="cite" cite>On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 11:49:07AM -0700,
dean blackketter wrote:<br>
> That's great.  Thanks.<br>
> <br>
> What's the format if there are multiple items in the list? 
Or are <br>
> there never multiple items in the list?<br>
> <br>
> I've seen other examples that do have multiple items, along with
<br>
> version lines and item counts...</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><br>
Good question.  My understanding of Dan's code is that only
the<br>
first item is read (i.e, only File1 is read) if the entry is a
URL.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Well, his code did do that, but my recent rewrite broke his
code.  I'm trying to fix it, and try to do it right. 
:-)</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>This also makes practical sense, as
streams typically don't have<br>
a defined end, so having more than one in the list is
counterproductive<br>
(unless we're looking to have functionality similar to the .m3u <br>
support, where the playlist containing multiple streams would<br>
be treated as a browseable directory)</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>I think that .pls and .m3u files are used both as "aliases"
to icecast/shoutcast servers (which implies a single never-ending
stream) as well as a list of songs to be played either locally or via
http.  I use HTTP streaming of songs here from home all the time
and use .m3u files as a way to construct playlists.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I've not really used .pls files yet, but I'm assuming that they
are just a different (and perhaps richer) way of expressing the same
stuff in an M3U file. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I'll try to make all the .pls files I come across work, and then
we'll see if any new formats come along that don't.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>One feature that I'd like to see in your
web code at some point <br>
(I don't know that I'll be able to get to this) would be an easy<br>
way to build playlists...e.g., a quick form where one could cut<br>
and paste a URL, possibly denoting what type of stream it is for<br>
appropriate massaging (e.g., live365 station URLs need a quick<br>
s/stations/play in the URL before being added to a .pls
file).</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>I'm not sure I understand what you are asking for.  Can you
give me maybe a more concrete example.  You can now create a m3u
playlist from the web interface by queuing up the songs you want in
the playlist and then clicking on download.  But I think you are
asking for a way to create a shout/icecast .pls file from a web page,
is that right?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>-dean</div>
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Mark C . Langston

2001-10-04 19:01:23 UTC

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Good question. My understanding of Dan's code is that only the
first item is read (i.e, only File1 is read) if the entry is a URL.

This also makes practical sense, as streams typically don't have
a defined end, so having more than one in the list is counterproductive
(unless we're looking to have functionality similar to the .m3u
support, where the playlist containing multiple streams would
be treated as a browseable directory)

I don't know the format for multi-item playlist files (I'm not
including .m3u here because I assume the format is standard and
works properly here as well). Dan would be the best person to answer
that question as he added the support, but a quick check of the
groups webpage doesn't show him as a member of this list yet.

I'm cc:ing him on this.

One feature that I'd like to see in your web code at some point
(I don't know that I'll be able to get to this) would be an easy
way to build playlists...e.g., a quick form where one could cut
and paste a URL, possibly denoting what type of stream it is for
appropriate massaging (e.g., live365 station URLs need a quick
s/stations/play in the URL before being added to a .pls file).
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dean blackketter

2001-10-04 18:49:07 UTC

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That's great. Thanks.

What's the format if there are multiple items in the list? Or are
there never multiple items in the list?

I've seen other examples that do have multiple items, along with
version lines and item counts...

-dean

The format I'm using (exlusively for Live365 streams at the moment) I
%cat foo.pls
[playlist]
Title1=Bill's stream test 2
File1=http://www.live365.com/play/151753
...this will work using the patch I mailed to Dan and Dean yesterday,
which seems to have made its way to the Yahoo! Groups list as well.
Without the patch, the URL must take a different form, because of the
%cat foo2.pls
[playlist]
Title1=Bill's stream test
File1=http://166.90.148.114:11010/?
I'm still trying to figure out a good way to get the song/artist
info. There are CGIs on live365.com that'll provide the info and
are mineable, but I'm not enamoured of that approach, as I can't
find any way to determine when the information changes without
regular polling.
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dean blackketter

2003-02-22 13:32:59 UTC

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<div>That's great.  Thanks.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>What's the format if there are multiple items in the list? 
Or are there never multiple items in the list?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I've seen other examples that do have multiple items, along with
version lines and item counts...  </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>-dean</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:52:52AM -0700,
dean blackketter wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
> <br>
> Cleaned up the extraneous warnings that I could, and fixed a
crasher.<br>
> Cosmetic tweaks elsewhere, including a more reasonable display
name <br>
> for PLS files.<br>
> <br>
> (Full PLS support coming, although I'd like to have a more
definitive <br>
> description of the file format.)<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><br>
The format I'm using (exlusively for Live365 streams at the moment)
I<br>
got from Dan:<br>
<br>
%cat foo.pls<br>
[playlist]<br>
Title1=Bill's stream test 2<br>
File1=http://www.live365.com/play/151753<br>
<br>
...this will work using the patch I mailed to Dan and Dean
yesterday,<br>
which seems to have made its way to the Yahoo! Groups list as
well.<br>
Without the patch, the URL must take a different form, because of
the<br>
lack of redirect support:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>%cat foo2.pls<br>
[playlist]</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Title1=Bill's stream test<br>
File1=http://166.90.148.114:11010/?<br>
<br>
I'm still trying to figure out a good way to get the song/artist<br>
info.  There are CGIs on live365.com that'll provide the info
and<br>
are mineable, but I'm not enamoured of that approach, as I can't<br>
find any way to determine when the information changes without <br>
regular polling.</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><br>
<br>
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Mark C . Langston

2001-10-04 18:43:30 UTC

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The format I'm using (exlusively for Live365 streams at the moment) I
got from Dan:

%cat foo.pls
[playlist]
Title1=Bill's stream test 2
File1=http://www.live365.com/play/151753

...this will work using the patch I mailed to Dan and Dean yesterday,
which seems to have made its way to the Yahoo! Groups list as well.
Without the patch, the URL must take a different form, because of the
lack of redirect support:

%cat foo2.pls
[playlist]
Title1=Bill's stream test
File1=http://166.90.148.114:11010/?

I'm still trying to figure out a good way to get the song/artist
info. There are CGIs on live365.com that'll provide the info and
are mineable, but I'm not enamoured of that approach, as I can't
find any way to determine when the information changes without
regular polling.
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dean blackketter

2001-10-04 17:52:52 UTC

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Hi,

Cleaned up the extraneous warnings that I could, and fixed a crasher.
Cosmetic tweaks elsewhere, including a more reasonable display name
for PLS files.

(Full PLS support coming, although I'd like to have a more definitive
description of the file format.)

Please look at the diffs file attached. (Generated with "cvs diff
-c", Daniel's suggesed "cvs diff -rupB" failed...)

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dean blackketter

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