Make Bagpuss default

Discussion:

Sean Adams

2002-03-07 23:36:19 UTC

Of course, it's not in %ENV because we're not a CGI. We'll need to parse
these fields from the request header - I don't think we're doing anything
with them at the moment.

I have found a lot of bugs in Netscae's CSS while working on
www.slimdevices.com. I've found that by just tweaking little things here
and there, like moving <p> inside of <pre>, I can get the glitches to go
away. It's *very* flakey.

Yes, it is, it's called $ENV{"HTTP_USER_AGENT"} (not just USER_AGENT like I
thought before).
And yes, you can trust it.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default

Isn't the client type sent in the GET request? If we could trust that

then

we could pull it out and set a 'nocss' key in the param hash. Then in
executeurl, if 'nocss' existed in the param hash and a css was requested

could return a blank one.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default
Ok, so lets leave the default as-is unless somebody has a silver
bullet for Netscape. Is there some kind of
conditional-based-on-browser majick we can do?

style

sheets for the default.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default

Ouch. Does the default look better?
Did Bagpuss stop looking good recently, or is this not new?

Loading Image...

Pat

I just fixed that. Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS
and try it.
-dean

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Richard Smith

2002-03-07 22:57:22 UTC

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Actually, everybody just ignore me, it's late, I'm tired, and the GET
request should actually have it as "User-Agent: ".

Not the $ENV (which is obviously set by the webserver, which in this case is
really our script).

----- Original Message -----
From: <rlmoser-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <slimp3-dev-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default

Isn't the client type sent in the GET request? If we could trust that

then

we could pull it out and set a 'nocss' key in the param hash. Then in
executeurl, if 'nocss' existed in the param hash and a css was requested

could return a blank one.
-----Original Message-----

Richard Smith

2002-03-07 22:39:25 UTC

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Yes, it is, it's called $ENV{"HTTP_USER_AGENT"} (not just USER_AGENT like I
thought before).

And yes, you can trust it.

----- Original Message -----
From: <rlmoser-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <slimp3-dev-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default

Isn't the client type sent in the GET request? If we could trust that

then

we could pull it out and set a 'nocss' key in the param hash. Then in
executeurl, if 'nocss' existed in the param hash and a css was requested

style

sheets for the default.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default

Ouch. Does the default look better?
Did Bagpuss stop looking good recently, or is this not new?

http://www.rtfm.org/bagpuss.jpg
Pat

I just fixed that. Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS
and try it.
-dean

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dean blackketter

2002-03-07 17:44:37 UTC

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I like this.

Could somebody make this work who has that version of netscape
installed and submit a patch?

-dean

You could check the $ENV{"USER_AGENT"} and not output the CSS line if it's
NS4.
Or do a Javascript check on it...
<script language="Javascript">

</script>
That would only output the line of the browser wasn't netscape.
Richard (Bagpuss) Smith
- Development Manager
- Traveltek

-----Original Message-----
Sent: 07 March 2002 15:56
Subject: Re: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default
Ok, so lets leave the default as-is unless somebody has a silver
bullet for Netscape. Is there some kind of
conditional-based-on-browser majick we can do?

Any style sheet does that to the tables in Netscape. That partly why I
deleted everything from the default slimp3.css when I enabled it.
So it's not just a Bagpuss thing, but it is an obstacle to

turning on style

sheets for the default.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default

Ouch. Does the default look better?
Did Bagpuss stop looking good recently, or is this not new?

http://www.rtfm.org/bagpuss.jpg
Pat

I just fixed that. Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS
and try it.
-dean

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gr0tus

2002-03-07 17:18:03 UTC

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You could check the $ENV{"USER_AGENT"} and not output the CSS line

if it's

NS4.

Wouldn't that only work for the machine running the server?

Isn't the user agent set in the GET request? We could pull it from
there, and if it was a type that doesn't handle css we could set a
key in the param hash (ie, $param{'nocss'}=undef;). Then in
executeurl we could check to see if that key existed before returning
the css.

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2002-03-07 17:06:25 UTC

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Isn't the client type sent in the GET request? If we could trust that then
we could pull it out and set a 'nocss' key in the param hash. Then in
executeurl, if 'nocss' existed in the param hash and a css was requested we
could return a blank one.

-----Original Message-----
From: dean blackketter [mailto:dean-qV/***@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 7:56 AM
To: slimp3-dev-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default

Ok, so lets leave the default as-is unless somebody has a silver
bullet for Netscape. Is there some kind of
conditional-based-on-browser majick we can do?

Any style sheet does that to the tables in Netscape. That partly why I
deleted everything from the default slimp3.css when I enabled it.
So it's not just a Bagpuss thing, but it is an obstacle to turning on style
sheets for the default.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default

Ouch. Does the default look better?
Did Bagpuss stop looking good recently, or is this not new?

http://www.rtfm.org/bagpuss.jpg
Pat

I just fixed that. Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS
and try it.
-dean

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Richard Smith

2002-03-07 17:00:31 UTC

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You could check the $ENV{"USER_AGENT"} and not output the CSS line if it's
NS4.

Or do a Javascript check on it...

<script language="Javascript">



</script>

That would only output the line of the browser wasn't netscape.

Richard (Bagpuss) Smith
- Development Manager
- Traveltek

Any style sheet does that to the tables in Netscape. That partly why I
deleted everything from the default slimp3.css when I enabled it.
So it's not just a Bagpuss thing, but it is an obstacle to

turning on style

sheets for the default.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default

Ouch. Does the default look better?
Did Bagpuss stop looking good recently, or is this not new?

http://www.rtfm.org/bagpuss.jpg
Pat

I just fixed that. Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS
and try it.
-dean

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dean blackketter

2003-02-22 12:50:52 UTC

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<div>I like this.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Could somebody make this work who has that version of netscape
installed and submit a patch?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>-dean</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>You could check the
$ENV{"USER_AGENT"} and not output the CSS line if it's<br>
NS4.<br>
<br>
Or do a Javascript check on it...<br>
<br>
<script language="Javascript"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</script><br>
<br>
That would only output the line of the browser wasn't netscape.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Richard (Bagpuss) Smith<br>
- Development Manager<br>
- Traveltek<br>
- rsmith-***@public.gmane.org<br>
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> From: dean blackketter [mailto:dean-qV/***@public.gmane.org]<br>
> Sent: 07 March 2002 15:56<br>
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> Subject: Re: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default<br>
><br>
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> Ok, so lets leave the default as-is unless somebody has a
silver<br>
> bullet for Netscape.  Is there some kind of<br>
> conditional-based-on-browser majick we can do?<br>
><br>
> >Any style sheet does that to the tables in Netscape. 
That partly why I<br>
> >deleted everything from the default slimp3.css when I enabled
it.<br>
> ><br>
> >So it's not just a Bagpuss thing, but it is an obstacle
to<br>
> turning on style<br>
> >sheets for the default.<br>
> ><br>
> >Scott<br>
> ><br>
> >----- Original Message -----<br>
> >From: "dean blackketter"
<dean-qV/***@public.gmane.org><br>
> >To: <slimp3-dev-***@public.gmane.org><br>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:01 PM<br>
> >Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >>  Ouch.  Does the default look better?<br>
> >><br>
> >>  Did Bagpuss stop looking good recently, or is this
not new?<br>
> >><br>
> >>  >Unfortunately bagpuss is unuseable running
Netscape 4.76 on Linux:<br>
> >>  ><br>
> >>  >http://www.rtfm.org/bagpuss.jpg<br>
> >>  ><br>
> >>  >Pat<br>
> >>  ><br>
> >>  >>  I just fixed that.  Delete
your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS<br>
> >>  >>  and try it.<br>
> >>  >><br>
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John Ruttenberg

2002-03-07 16:57:37 UTC

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Ok, so lets leave the default as-is unless somebody has a silver
bullet for Netscape. Is there some kind of
conditional-based-on-browser majick we can do?

According to:

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.43

the browsers are supposed to include a user-agent field in the request
headers. You could use this to identify the browser and decide on a default
skin based on that (IE get Bagpuss,...)

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Pat Dalzell

2002-03-07 16:16:28 UTC

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Right. I guess my comment would be to not make this the default unless
you qualify the user's browser during setup. Bagpuss is far and away
better looking on browsers that support it, but I have to vote for the
lowest common denominator approach when dealing with defaults.

Hopefully I'll be able to find some time and throw a skin together one of
these days.

Pat

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default
Any style sheet does that to the tables in Netscape. That partly why I
deleted everything from the default slimp3.css when I enabled it.
So it's not just a Bagpuss thing, but it is an obstacle to
turning on style
sheets for the default.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default

Ouch. Does the default look better?
Did Bagpuss stop looking good recently, or is this not new?

http://www.rtfm.org/bagpuss.jpg
Pat

I just fixed that. Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS
and try it.
-dean

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dean blackketter

2002-03-07 15:56:20 UTC

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Ok, so lets leave the default as-is unless somebody has a silver
bullet for Netscape. Is there some kind of
conditional-based-on-browser majick we can do?

Ouch. Does the default look better?
Did Bagpuss stop looking good recently, or is this not new?

http://www.rtfm.org/bagpuss.jpg
Pat

I just fixed that. Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS
and try it.
-dean

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Scott McIntyre

2002-03-07 15:35:28 UTC

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Any style sheet does that to the tables in Netscape. That partly why I
deleted everything from the default slimp3.css when I enabled it.

So it's not just a Bagpuss thing, but it is an obstacle to turning on style
sheets for the default.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "dean blackketter" <dean-qV/***@public.gmane.org>
To: <slimp3-dev-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default

Ouch. Does the default look better?
Did Bagpuss stop looking good recently, or is this not new?

http://www.rtfm.org/bagpuss.jpg
Pat

I just fixed that. Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS
and try it.
-dean

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dean blackketter

2003-02-22 12:50:56 UTC

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<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<head><style type="text/css"></style><title>Re: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss
default</title></head><body>
<div>Ok, so lets leave the default as-is unless somebody has a silver
bullet for Netscape.  Is there some kind of
conditional-based-on-browser majick we can do?</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Any style sheet does that to the tables
in Netscape.  That partly why I<br>
deleted everything from the default slimp3.css when I enabled it.<br>
<br>
So it's not just a Bagpuss thing, but it is an obstacle to turning on
style<br>
sheets for the default.<br>
<br>
Scott<br>
<br>
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To: <slimp3-dev-***@public.gmane.org><br>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:01 PM<br>
Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default<br>
<br>
<br>
> Ouch.  Does the default look better?<br>
><br>
> Did Bagpuss stop looking good recently, or is this not new?<br>
><br>
> >Unfortunately bagpuss is unuseable running Netscape 4.76 on
Linux:<br>
> ><br>
> >http://www.rtfm.org/bagpuss.jpg<br>
> ><br>
> >Pat<br>
> ><br>
> >>  I just fixed that.  Delete your copy of
Bagpus, update from CVS<br>
> >>  and try it.<br>
> >><br>
> >>  -dean<br>
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Richard Smith

2002-03-07 09:33:06 UTC

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I think I said it would be in my original email. But really, it's a bug on
Netscape's part, not the Slim's part. Netscape 4 has one of the worst, most
buggy implementations of style sheets ever created by man and I suggest you
upgrade to NS6.0 instead - that should be able to handle what I believe is
perfectly valid CSS code.

Also, a large/small version should be easy. Just create a duplicate style
sheet and change the font sizes to something larger. I designed it to fit
nicely on a 1024x768 screen, so I'm not surprised it's too small on
1600x1200.

Love your email domain btw. :)

Richard Smith
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- Traveltek

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RE: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss default
http://www.rtfm.org/bagpuss.jpg
Pat

I just fixed that. Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS
and try it.
-dean

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dean blackketter

2002-03-07 04:01:37 UTC

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Ouch. Does the default look better?

Did Bagpuss stop looking good recently, or is this not new?

http://www.rtfm.org/bagpuss.jpg
Pat

I just fixed that. Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS
and try it.
-dean

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Pat Dalzell

2002-03-07 03:44:51 UTC

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Unfortunately bagpuss is unuseable running Netscape 4.76 on Linux:

http://www.rtfm.org/bagpuss.jpg

Pat

I just fixed that. Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS
and try it.
-dean

dean blackketter

2003-02-22 12:51:16 UTC

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dean blackketter

2002-03-07 03:27:47 UTC

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It wouldnt take much to alter the skin, and have 2 types, Bagpuss (Small
Fonts) and Bagpuss (Large Fonts) to choose from.
It'd either be in the style sheet, or in the HTML.

Hopefully it's in the style sheet.

Is there a new version of it out which has the bagpuss style for ALL pages
on the web server? because the one I downloaded and installed didnt have
all pages (like the server settings areas etc etc.)

I just fixed that. Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from CVS and try it.

-dean

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dean blackketter

2002-03-07 02:51:20 UTC

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I'll hold off until we have consensus.

Data point: Bagpus works fine on my 1024x768 ~72dpi powerbook screen.

I doubt it's the resolution, rather the DPI.

I bet there's a way to fix that in the CSS.

-dean

Why don't we rename the default skin "boring" or something, and make
Bagpuss the default. It's so much better.

Chris Aitken

2002-03-07 02:50:03 UTC

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It wouldnt take much to alter the skin, and have 2 types, Bagpuss (Small
Fonts) and Bagpuss (Large Fonts) to choose from.

It'd either be in the style sheet, or in the HTML.

Is there a new version of it out which has the bagpuss style for ALL pages
on the web server? because the one I downloaded and installed didnt have
all pages (like the server settings areas etc etc.)

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dean blackketter

2003-02-22 12:51:20 UTC

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<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<head><style type="text/css"></style><title>Re: [slimp3-dev] Make Bagpuss
default</title></head><body>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>At 09:46 PM 6/03/2002, you wrote:<br>
<br>
>I think this a bad idea.  Bagpuss completely unreadable in
mozilla on my<br>
>screen ((1600x12000).<br>
><br>
>What browser/resoultion does it look good in.  The default
skin is boring, but<br>
>at least it will work for everyone.  With Bagpuss, I can't
even change the<br>
>skin back.<br>
><br>
>I think if you are going to do this, you need to use some better
magic to<br>
>sense the browser / resolutions.<br>
<br>
It wouldnt take much to alter the skin, and have 2 types, Bagpuss
(Small <br>
Fonts) and Bagpuss (Large Fonts) to choose from.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>It'd either be in the style sheet, or in
the HTML.</blockquote>
<div><br>
Hopefully it's in the style sheet.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Is there a new version of it out which
has the bagpuss style for ALL pages <br>
on the web server? because the one I downloaded and installed didnt
have <br>
all pages (like the server settings areas etc etc.)</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>I just fixed that.  Delete your copy of Bagpus, update from
CVS and try it.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>-dean</div>
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John Ruttenberg

2002-03-07 02:46:58 UTC

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Why don't we rename the default skin "boring" or something, and make
Bagpuss the default. It's so much better.

I think this a bad idea. Bagpuss completely unreadable in mozilla on my
screen ((1600x12000).

What browser/resoultion does it look good in. The default skin is boring, but
at least it will work for everyone. With Bagpuss, I can't even change the
skin back.

I think if you are going to do this, you need to use some better magic to
sense the browser / resolutions.

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dean blackketter

2003-02-22 12:51:25 UTC

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<div>I'll hold off until we have consensus.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Data point:  Bagpus works fine on my 1024x768 ~72dpi
powerbook screen.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I doubt it's the resolution, rather the DPI. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I bet there's a way to fix that in the CSS.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>-dean</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Sean Adams:<br>
> <br>
> Why don't we rename the default skin "boring" or
something, and make<br>
> Bagpuss the default. It's so much better.<br>
> <br>
<br>
I think this a bad idea.  Bagpuss completely unreadable in
mozilla on my<br>
screen ((1600x12000).<br>
<br>
What browser/resoultion does it look good in.  The default skin
is boring, but<br>
at least it will work for everyone.  With Bagpuss, I can't even
change the<br>
skin back.<br>
<br>
I think if you are going to do this, you need to use some better magic
to<br>
sense the browser / resolutions.<br>
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dean blackketter

2002-03-07 02:19:43 UTC

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Will do.

Why don't we rename the default skin "boring" or something, and make
Bagpuss the default. It's so much better.

If Bagpuss is just a style sheet then firstly it's unlikely the

buttons will

get their styles (unless you added the class to all of them in

the default),

the width of the tables for the playlists/file browse will no

longer be 100%

and delete in the playlist will have ( ) instead of [ ] around it.

I merged those changes over. It makes the original look better too.
Did you see anything I missed?

These are things I couldn't do with the style sheets, hence the seperate
HTML.

Right. But there's no harm in having classes for everything in the
main skin. If they aren't used, then so be it.
-dean
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Sean Adams

2002-03-07 01:46:54 UTC

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Why don't we rename the default skin "boring" or something, and make
Bagpuss the default. It's so much better.

If Bagpuss is just a style sheet then firstly it's unlikely the buttons will
get their styles (unless you added the class to all of them in the default),
the width of the tables for the playlists/file browse will no longer be 100%
and delete in the playlist will have ( ) instead of [ ] around it.

I merged those changes over. It makes the original look better too.
Did you see anything I missed?

These are things I couldn't do with the style sheets, hence the seperate
HTML.

Right. But there's no harm in having classes for everything in the
main skin. If they aren't used, then so be it.
-dean
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dean blackketter

2003-02-22 12:51:29 UTC

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<div>Will do.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Why don't we rename the default skin
"boring" or something, and make<br>
Bagpuss the default. It's so much better.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, dean blackketter wrote:<br>
<br>
> >If Bagpuss is just a style sheet then firstly it's unlikely
the buttons will<br>
> >get their styles (unless you added the class to all of them
in the default),<br>
> >the width of the tables for the playlists/file browse will no
longer be 100%<br>
> >and delete in the playlist will have ( ) instead of [ ]
around it.<br>
><br>
> I merged those changes over.  It makes the original look
better too.<br>
><br>
> Did you see anything I missed?<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> >These are things I couldn't do with the style sheets, hence
the seperate<br>
> >HTML.<br>
><br>
> Right.  But there's no harm in having classes for everything
in the<br>
> main skin.  If they aren't used, then so be it.<br>
><br>
> -dean<br>
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